MoveOn.org Action Forum: protests against hate speech shouted down

Eli Pariser, want to tell us again how " We were pleased to see that so many MoveOn members rose to sharply criticize the hate speech that was posted – even before it was brought to our attention?"

From a downloaded archive of Action Forum postings

2883. ... Ellis statement

...Ellis' statement is anti-semetic and insulting! What does he mean by stating that American Jews should fight? Americans: Jews, Christians, Muslims, Blacks and Whites are taken into the army and fight for our country. Why is he singling out Jews and Conservatives. He's bigoted and has no concept that we are all in this and fighting terrorism for our freedom. I am against the Iraq War, but support our troops as they are fighting for us! Mr. Ellis needs to understand Israel is our only Democratic link in the East. They need us and we need them. If a country bombs another country, that country must protect itself. If soldiers are kidnapped, they need to be returned. If what happened in Israel happened to the US, we also wouldn't sit by and try diplomacy. We'd go in and do the same thing Israel did. No country should bomb another and get away with it.

64 percent of the Action Forum participants who voted on this DISAGREED that Mr. Ellis' statement that Jews don't serve in our Armed Forces is bigoted and anti-Semitic.

MoveOn.org's John Kerry lied, good men died

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MoveOn.org's Noah Winer attempts damage control

Christmas has come early even for those of us who are not Christians. The first lesson of playing cards is, "Don't see and raise when you ain't got no cards and your opponent has all the aces." MoveOn.org's Noah Winer has chosen to see and raise us on our position that MoveOn.org knowingly and willfully welcomed racist, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic hate speech at its Action Forum and then lied about removing it. This is going to be about as sporting as shooting fish in a barrel or slaughtering sheep (in a meat packing factory) but here we go.

This from Jewschool and the National Jewish Democratic Council, which yesterday micturated on its own feet by quoting anti-Semitic "Jews as Christian haters" propaganda in an attempt to divide Jews and Evangelical Christians.

JEWSCHOOL Were you aware, before this scandal broke, that there were individuals using the cover of anti-Zionism to espouse antisemitic views in the MoveOn forums and that these posts were receiving disturbingly high ratings?

NOAH WINER We discovered and removed the posts before the scandal broke. Almost all the comments were posted and rated highly by non-MoveOn members who joined the forum with multiple accounts to create trouble.

"We discovered and removed the posts before the scandal broke."
Except for the ones we harvested not only after the scandal broke, but more than two weeks after MoveOn.org's press release of September 2. Unless otherwise stated (e.g. "Google Cache") every single one of these was found on or after September 17.
http://www.stentorian.com/MoveOn/sideshow1.html
http://www.stentorian.com/MoveOn/sideshow2.html

"Almost all the comments were posted and rated highly by non-MoveOn members who joined the forum with multiple accounts to create trouble."

That's also interesting because it seemed to us that individuals who identified themselves as Hutchinson and Ellis were forum regulars, and they were responsible for a lot of the hate speech. In addition, one of them linked a separate http://outbush2005.blogspot.com/ that contained the same kind of hate speech.

JEWSCHOOL: Did MoveOn erase the posts of individuals who raised concerns about these manifestations of antisemitism, as has been alleged by MoveOn’s detractors?

Yes, we can attest that our posts as well as those of Jan Poller were erased.

WINER: Judaism is a big part of my life, culturally and spiritually.

Then why, Mr. Winer, did you yourself post an official MoveOn.org bulletin-- and this is NOT the Action Forum, but an official bulletin-- that cites an anti-Semitic source (the Christisons)?

PAX ISRAELICA?
...This essay describes many of the familiar neo-conservatives as having "dual loyalties," making policy decisions in the interests of the State of Israel as much as the United States.
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

Now who are Bill and Kathleen Christison? By their works shall ye know them:

Authors’ note: Given the prevailing atmosphere in the United States for debate on Israel, the frequency with which critics of Israel are accused of malicious ethnic motives, and the widespread skittishness about associating Israel or American Jews with war planning against Iraq, the following items are of particular interest. The first of these items reports a clear Jewish effort to suppress any evidence of Jewish support for war. The second is evidence, from a non-Jewish perspective, of the effect of the silence imposed on critics of Israel.

This is the source that Mr. Noah T. Winer saw fit to quote. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ also seems to like the Christisons, take a look at their Web page.

JEWSCHOOL: ...Who manages and maintains the MoveOn message forums — in-house staff or outside volunteers?

WINER: ...We have a moderator who tries to catch really offensive comments, but we don’t approve everything that’s posted.

That's funny, Mr. Winer, because your own FAQ page at http://www.actionforum.com/general/faq.html says that every comment is read twice. Furthermore, your overworked moderator had no trouble at all in finding criticisms of MoveOn.org or pro-Israel commentary, because those were deleted. We, who are not even being paid to do it, had no trouble finding the hate speech.

MoveOn.org Action Forum: Evangelical Christians commit election fraud

From Google's cache of MoveOn.org's disgraced Action Forum comes this beauty:

I strongly agree with number 2 and 3 comments currently at the top of the Political Action Goals. There are always individual cases of fraud in an election, but Mark Crispin Miller claims widespread fraud in 2004 that cost Kerry the election. "Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 election and why they'll steal the next one too (unless we stop them" is his book. He says the use of the Diebolt computer voting machines and the use of large number of evangelicals to man polling booths created widespread electoral fraud, not just in Ohio. Three states have now rejected Diebolt machines and a month ago the CEO of Diebolt resigned. We must get paper trails in every state.

127 out of the 131 Action Forum participants who voted on this entry agreed with it.

National Jewish Democratic Council evokes anitpathy toward Jews

We previously reported how the National Jewish Democratic Council has made itself a knowing and willful accomplice after the fact to MoveOn.org's tolerance of anti-Semitic and other hate speech at its Action Forum. Now the National Jewish Democratic Council has itself spewed hate speech of the worst kind on its blog as shown here. The blog cites a column by Samuel Freedman, and NJDC quotes the following to support its assertion that the Republican Jewish Committee is failing to make inroads among Jewish voters.

Research by a variety of scholars and pollsters - Ken Wald of the University of Florida, Eric Uslaner and Mark Lichbach of the University of Maryland, the survey released just last week by the American Jewish Committee - shows a chasm between American Jews and evangelical Christians on issues ranging from the Iraq war to legal abortion to gay rights.
More than identifying the schism on any specific topic, the research describes a visceral distrust, bordering on antipathy, for Evangelical Christians on the part of American Jews.

How is this statement anti-Semitic? It is the standard statement of an agent provacateur who is trying to stir up friction between two groups of people. It's one matter to say that many Jews disagree with Evangelical Christians on certain issues but saying that Jews have a "visceral distrust, bordering on antipathy, for Evangelical Christians," the writer encourages Evangelical Christians to distrust Jews. (As an analogy, a demagogue or agent provacateur's statement that all Black people hate white people is designed to get white people to hate and distrust Black people.) This is obviously being done for political gain and Jews and Christians must join in putting a stop to it right now.

For the record, the National Jewish Democratic Council is already our declared enemy for whitewashing MoveOn.org over the hate speech issue. We furthermore declare that we will stand with our Evangelical Christian friends in the total destruction of NJDC's credibility, which should be achievable by using NJDC's collaboration with MoveOn.org.

Jewish Funds for Justice and Anti-Defamation League

Judas goats and enablers for anti-Semitic hate speech

We previously reported how the National Jewish Democratic Council has made itself a knowing and willful accessory after the fact to anti-Semitic hate speech similar to the kind used to perpetrate the Holocaust. In the absence of any change in position by the Jewish Funds for Justice and Anti-Defamation League on MoveOn.org's proven tolerance for hate speech, we must come to the same conclusion about them as well. Righteous indignation and public exposure is the only possible reply to knowing and willful collaboration with hatemongers.
All three organizations have participated in a whitewash of MoveOn.org after the latter organization was exposed for welcoming not only anti-Semitic but also racist and anti-Catholic hate speech at its Action Forum. With very few exceptions, the hate speech garnered approval from 70 to 95 percent of the Action Forum participants who voted on it.

(1) MoveOn.org anti-Semitic hate speech included the same kind of material that the Nazi Party used to perpetrate the Holocaust. A blood libel, with which ten out of thirteen Action Forum participants voted agreement, said that the Talmud commands Jews to "slaughter non-Jews who are viewed more or less as animals or at least lesser human beings." Numerous comments accused Jewish-Americans of dividing their loyalties between the United States and Israel, controlling all the media, and running a "Zionist Occupied Government."
(2) Anti-Catholic hate speech denounced the "Catholic Pedophiles of America," proclaimed, "The Catholics are raping your children," called Catholic clergy "baby rapers," and referred to the Pope as a Nazi while questioning the loyalty of Catholic Supreme Court justices to the United States Constitution.
(3) Racist entries were designed to evoke contempt as opposed to actual hatred for Black people. One item referred to prominent African-Americans as "house slaves" while another suggested that African-American soldiers were potential mutineers who should be disarmed and segregated.
(4) Numerous blood libels (falsely accusing a group of murder or blaming a murder on someone other than the known perpetrator) also were directed at the United States Government, which was accused of planning, complicity in, or even carrying out the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The Anti-Defamation League whitewashed MoveOn.org by agreeing with MoveOn.org's press release of September 2, which did not even apologize for the above conduct. Jewish Funds for Justice has started a petition, which the National Jewish Democratic Council supports, to protest our efforts to publicize MoveOn.org's actions. They are universally acting on MoveOn.org’s lip service to the effect that it didn’t see the hate speech until mid-August when it was promptly removed, and anyway the rest of the MoveOn.org community condemned it. (”We weren’t there and, besides, we were only following orders.” Right.) Our side has the following, all of which were made available to NJDC, ADL, and Jewish Funds for Justice:
(1) Jan Poller’s letter of April 1 2004, which told MoveOn.org about the hate speech. This alone proves that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out about it” in mid-August.
(2) Reams of hate speech that were harvested from the Action Forum two or more weeks after the MoveOn press release, thus proving that MoveOn.org lied about deleting all but a few items.
(3) The MoveOn.org Action Forum FAQ page that says in more than one place that MoveOn monitors the forum and even reads each comment (including the hate speech) twice. This again shows that MoveOn.org didn’t “just find out” about the hate speech.
(4) Votes of overwhelming approval, as opposed to condemnation, of the hate speech by other Action Forum participants.

This is far from the first time that groups have put politics above principle and even organizational mission statements. We have demonstrated on numerous occasions that the far-left Indybay.org's support for women's rights and gay rights, including the basic human right to live, ends where the militant "Islamic" world begins. This was demonstrated by posting articles about Palestinian and other militant "Islamic" violence toward gays and women, only to have the articles hidden by the Indybay collective.

The Anti-Defamation League, now to be called the Antisemitism-enabling Denial League, has some impressive material about anti-Semitic and anti-American hate material from the militant "Islamic" world. ADL's whitewash of MoveOn.org proves, however, that its opposition to hate speech ends where the left-wing branch of the Democratic Party begins. The MoveOn.org branch of the Democratic Party could probably call someone the N word and get a pass from the ADL. The Huffington Post did in fact post a picture of Senator Lieberman in blackface, thus making "Jew Lieberman" as MoveOn.org calls him into "N***er Lieberman." The use of black skin as an insult is obviously racist.

We showed previously that the Jewish Funds for Justice has a very interesting Discover'>http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5226">Discover the Networks dossier, and is furthermore'>http://jvoices.com/?page_id=2">furthermore involved in Palestine solidarity activities.

daniel lang/levitsky is a puppeteer and aspiring rabble-rouser based in new york city. ...current projects include palestine solidarity organizing with Jews Against the Occupation/NYC, immigrant justice work with Jews for Racial and Economic Justice, and more half-finished shows than i’d like to admit.

The Democrats claim to be pro-Israel but it is quite clear where MoveOn.org and the Jewish Funds for Justice stand on Israel. The Anti-Defamation League, meanwhile, has shown that it stands for nothing whatsoever. "Honor" means you are for the right thing all the time, not only when it is convenient, and ADL seems to have parked its honor in a hole the instant the MoveOn.org wing of the Democratic Party bleated to it for a whitewash. We will tell ADL about the "N***er Lieberman" item and see if the Huffington Post gets a pass as well. Bets, anyone?

National Jewish Democratic Council, MoveOn.org's Judas Goat

A Judas goat is a trained and often well-fed animal that plays on its identity as, for example, a goat, sheep, or steer to get similar animals to follow it up the ramp to the meat packing factory. The National Jewish Democratic Council is similarly using its "Jewish" identity to knowingly and willfully whitewash MoveOn.org's tolerance of hate speech at its Action Forum.

The following pictures underscore the Judas goat concept. Queers Undermining Israeli Terror (QUIT) and Boycott World Pride seek to boycott the controversial gay pride event which is to be held in Jerusalem. QUIT and Boycott World Pride trade on their nominally-gay identity to convince other gay people that Israel is a bad country and its militant "Islamic" neighbors are fine and dandy.

Now suppose, for example, that Nazis managed to get a few members of the Jewish community to usher other Jews into cattle cars while reassuring them that they were going to a nice recreational relocation facility even though they had seen the gas chambers and crematoria. The National Jewish Democratic Council has proven itself a Jewish Judas goat as illustrated here for certain other "Jewish" organizations, with exactly the same ethics as a Jew who would tell other Jews to get in the cattle car.



On October 27 NJDC leader Ira Forman wrote the following while accusing the Republican Jewish Coalition and, by implication ourselves (since we supplied the RJC with information about MoveOn.org) of lying.

"Jewish voters should take comfort in knowing that MoveOn.org is not a haven for anti-Semitism and the organization will renounce and remove any postings of the sort.Leave it to Republicans to not allow the truth to get in the way of campaigning. Sincerely,Ira FormanExecutive DirectorNational Jewish Democratic Council"

As shown on the page, Jan Poller and ourselves provided the NJDC with proof that MoveOn.org knew of the anti-Semitic and other hate speech that permeated its Action Forum, and chose to let the hate speech stand while deleting pro-Israel commentary as well as criticism of MoveOn.org. We also sent an E-mail with this information to the Jewish Funds for Justice and National Jewish Democratic Council on October 28 (To: njdc "at" njdc.org, nynjdc "at" njdc.org, info "at" jewishjustice.org).

In summary, NJDC has MoveOn.org's lip service to the effect that it didn't see the hate speech until mid-August when it was promptly removed, and anyway the rest of the MoveOn.org community condemned it. ("We weren't there and, besides, we were only following orders." Right.) Our side has the following, all of which were made available to NJDC and Jewish Funds for Justice:

(1) Jan Poller's letter of April 1 2004, which told MoveOn.org about the hate speech. This alone proves that MoveOn.org didn't "just find out about it" in mid-August.
(2) Reams of hate speech that were harvested from the Action Forum two or more weeks after the MoveOn press release, thus proving that MoveOn.org lied about deleting all but a few items.
(3) The MoveOn.org Action Forum FAQ page that says in more than one place that MoveOn monitors the forum and even reads each comment (including the hate speech) twice. This again shows that MoveOn.org didn't "just find out" about the hate speech.
(4) Votes of overwhelming approval, as opposed to condemnation, of the hate speech by other Action Forum participants.

As of today, however, neither the Jewish Funds for Justice nor the National Jewish Democratic Council has changed its position. When a followup E-mail was sent to NJDC this morning, it received the reply, " You guys have been asked politiely before, and will be once again -- please cease spamming us."

When we last heard, "spam" was unsolicited bulk commercial E-mail as opposed to correspondence regarding NJDC's public implication that we ourselves are lying. Nonetheless, since NJDC does not want us to communicate with it by E-mail, we will communicate with it and its Jewish constituents through this medium instead.

Last week, it could have been argued that NJDC was an innocent victim of the same misinformation that MoveOn.org fed to the public and the ADL. Repetition of lies that one swallows in good faith is not lying, but continuing to repeat the lies after one has seen independently-verifiable proof of their falsehood is. NJDC's continued support of MoveOn.org makes NJDC an accessory after the fact (in the court of public opinion) to MoveOn.org's reprehensible conduct and cover-up.


Mr. Forman, your organization was given every opportunity to correct its mistaken assertion that we are liars. At this point, NJDC's conduct is no longer a mistake. The National Jewish Democratic Council is clearly a Judas goat that is using the "Jewish" in its name to help whitewash anti-Semitic hate speech every bit as vicious as that that led to the Holocaust, and anti-Catholic and racist hate speech as well. If you still wonder why George Bush won the 2004 election, a long look in the mirror might provide a good part of the answer.

MoveOn.org candidate John Kerry smears U.S. troops as ignorant, uneducated

Uproar over Kerry Iraq remarks
Bush says troops deserve apology; Kerry says joke aimed at president

[Kerry] then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Don't forget that John Kerry, whom MoveOn.org endorsed in 2004, also accused our soldiers of war crimes in Vietnam while men like John McCain were being tortured for refusing to make statements like this. Kerry then helped the enemy recruit terrorists to kill American soldiers in Iraq by saying that Americans are "terrorizing" Iraqis. If MoveOn.org's people still wonder why they got four more years of George Bush, a long look in the mirror might be a good first step.

Huffington Post: "Jew Lieberman" now "N***er Lieberman"

Thanks to http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2006/10/liberal-racists-blackface-gallery.html for this one. MoveOn.org and the Huffington Post seem to be competing with the Ku Klux Klan for members. "Jew Lieberman," as they call him at MoveOn.org's Action Forum, is now "N***er Lieberman." African-American skin is used as an insult at the Huffington Post.

"Joe Lieberman" Artist: Jane Hamsher, posted on The Huffington Post (Actually, the Huffington Post article suggests that someone else did the blackface. The picture was taken down by the Huffington Post but not before conservative bloggers picked it up.)

MoveOn.org Action Forum: "Bush ordered 9/11"

24 out of 26 Action Forum participants agreed that Bush ordered 9/11.

Bush has been quietly reclassifying documents so fast that papers that have been once in the public domain that would have shown he was involved in immense illegal activity have been hidden from view to us who actually own those documents. Maybe some of these documents were like the millions of files destroyed re: Able Danger, who were knew about Atta pre-9-11.
Possibly Bush has ordered the very papers reclassified that would prove that he ordered 9-11. Possibly the people involved could Whistleblow the truth about that, and create a great unraveling of the real truth of 9-11.
Listen to John Dean and Daniel Ellesberg talk or read the transcript on the Watergate breakin trial exactly 30 years ago. Dean refused to lie for the president.

That's funny, we thought Osama bin Laden ordered 9/11. If you're planning to participate in MoveOn.org's Call for Change program, and you wonder why the people you call slam the phone down in disgust, perhaps this sort of thing is the reason.

MoveOn.org: yet another shoe drops in hate speech controversy

We previously posted ample evidence that MoveOn.org was fully aware of the anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic hate speech that was being posted on its site, despite what it said in its press release of September 2.

Corollary to the Eleventh Commandment: When thou sweepest a mess under the rug, thou shalt hide the entire mess and not leave lose ends:

http://www.actionforum.com/general/faq.html

How does MoveOn use ActionForum? MoveOn monitors the forum for input several times a day and uses the information to help set their agenda. Comments that are of immediate relevance are forwarded to the appropriate team member usually within hours. Comments of a more long term nature are compiled weekly in two summaries and passed to the team. Occasionally topic specific summaries are compiled covering a period of a month or more.

Eli Pariser, want to tell us again how your people didn't see the hate speech until mid-August?

MoveOn.org Action Forum: "Israel a s****y country"

"Why does the world allow this (expletive deleted) little country to cause so much trouble?"
While this is not anti-Semitic (the remarks are directed at a U.S. ally and not Jews) it pretty much shows where these people are coming from. He also has no trouble with Iran, which has threatened to use nuclear weapons, obtaining WMDs.

Once again, the dead roach in America's salad is Israel. The U.S. hypocritically opposes a nuclear-free Middle East because Israel has nuclear weapons. We hypocritically claim the Iranians are in violation of international law when, in fact, it is Israel that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refuses international inspections. Given our craven obedience to Israel, we have exactly zero credibility in the Arab and Muslim world.
As I have said before, I don't care if the Iranians do develop nuclear weapons. My whole adult life was lived with 30,000 Soviet nuclear weapons aimed at me. I can certainly live with the six or seven Iran might be able to scrape together in the next five to 10 years. In the meantime, the U.S. government should kick the Israeli lobby out of the country and support Iran and the Arab League in pushing for a nuclear-free Middle East.
The Israeli lobby pushing America to fight yet another war for Israel reminds me of what the French ambassador to Great Britain said at a party: "Why does the world allow this (expletive deleted) little country to cause so much trouble?" Why indeed? You should ask your politicians that question.

Actually, the Frenchman in question said, "Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?" To which we answer, "Why DID we have a world war because of that country (France)?" Noting that the conflict between approximately 1799 to 1815 was fought on at least four continents (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America) and killed millions of people, it qualified as a world war even though historians did not number it as such. The Wikipedia reference adds, "the nearly continuous period of warfare from April 20, 1792, until November 20, 1815, sometimes (though rarely these days) bears the name of the "Great French War"."

MoveOn.org Action Forum Documentary

Note: MoveOn.org Action Forum links do not work because MoveOn.org had to take down the forum as a result of the scandal over racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-Catholic hate speech. Every single one of the following items is a verbatim quote from the Action Forum, and pay close attention to just how many other Action Forum participants agreed with the hate speech.

http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302298 First the republicans used fear to motivate us to support the war, then the democrats seeing it working decided to capitalize on fear by stating that the republicans are not strong enough on homeland defense. I advocate no homeland defense and had you elected Nader, Kucinich or Dean you’d have no reason to fear either. Yes I live a long way from New York and we are not infested with Arab hating Jews. Fear costs you money and anxiety, overcoming it will set you free.
10 of 11 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE

http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302833 I respect everybody's opinion but obviously some people hate Jews. I am sure they have their reasons but they should not let whatever bad experience they had with some Jews (and I am sure they had some) interfere with their judgment.
9 of 10 Action Forum participants voted to AGREE


http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=309875 We need your help in finding a word that is less offensive. One that describes the Jewish congressmen and Jewish owned media that has a greater allegiance to Israel than the US. And who are demonizing Israel’s neighbors and supporting Israel’s bombing and occupation. Read "Israeli Lobby" google it.
7 of 8 voted to AGREE with this